This week--just as the printed newspaper version is selling on the streets today--here's the complete version of the chat with Superstition Meadery owner/magician--Jeff Herbert on MEAD.
#in consideration of public interest--newspaper column version in Mandarin is a compressed version--with emphasis on the basics for easier understanding of what mead is about---here's the full transcript of the chat:-( Jeff's answers in BLUE)
#Most drinkers here are not
familiar with Mead( due to lack of supply, lack of knowledge )--whatever
impression they have is ---since its made with honey ---it must be sweet, one
dimensional. How would you advice new people on what to look out for when
drinking your first few mead?
You
are correct that if any preconceived notion exists in the mind of a new
customer, it is that mead is always sweet. The vast stylistic range of mead has
no barriers and ranges from dry to sweet, still to sparkling, and light bodied
to the most full flavored, complex and delicious beverage that will ever meet
your lips. So, I would encourage new mead drinkers not to judge a category
based on a few examples. Imagine if a Budweiser was the only beer someone
tried, and assumed all beer was the same. They would be missing out on
Belgians, Sours, Russian Imperial Stouts etc., which are really nothing like a
watered down corn and rice lager.
#很多人一听到蜂蜜—即刻觉得一定很甜—没什么其他风味,怎么让人知道其实不只甜而已?
答“的确,很多人先入为主的觉得一定甜—MEAD其实变化多端,可以从干涩到甜,从静态到气泡,从轻盈到圆润饱满,是复杂多变的可口美味。建议大家多试试不同风味的蜜酒,就像如果你只喝大厂啤酒,怎会知道比利时修道院啤酒或天然发酵果酸啤酒的复杂美好,又或是美国大黑啤的不同层次感受。”
#What would be the key to
brewing mead? Is it Most importantly quality of the HONEY? Or is the sum of
everything including the other ingredients added in the brewing process?
Making
excellent mead can involve many different ingredients and techniques, and I believe that the mead maker is a
choreographer of flavors both during the science of fermentation and after,
through the art of blending and barrel aging. It would be impossible to make good mead
with poor quality ingredients, so we only use the best honey in the world, Arizona honey, and we pair
this with the finest ingredients we can source locally and abroad.
One
of the differences in how we make mead compared to how beer is brewed, is that
we do not heat the must in order to preserve the volatile aromatic compounds
and flavors present in the honey. We also manage the fermentation with the goal
of achieving a healthy and neutral fermentation so that little to no off
flavors are produced, and the characteristics of the raw ingredients will be
showcased in the final product.
#决定密酒好不好,厉不厉害的关键在于蜂蜜品质?还是酿造过程的融合?
答“酿造过程的和谐很重要,酿酒师在过程中就像调味师,让蜂蜜和不同风味食材通过混合和桶陈方式自然融和。要酿造很出色蜜酒,高质素蜂蜜绝对重要,其他搭味食材也是,我们只用最好的ARIZONA蜂蜜,也去过海外城市寻找各类高质素食材。”
#General consensus is that
mead is comparatively harder to brew than say pale ale / ipa-- Would you tell
us in simple language why so? What's the harder part?
Most
mead makers use techniques that are closer to wine making than brewing beer. I
would say that challenges include constantly maintaining flawless sanitation
practices, and achieving a clean and rapid fermentation. If a mead fermentation
produces off flavors or fusel alcohols it can take up to a year for those to
break down to a level where they are undetectable. Since honey alone does not
usually have all of the nutrients required for the type of fermentation mead
makers seek to achieve, removing CO2 (degassing), adding O2, and adding
nutrients on a specific schedule require experience and attention to detail.
#据说密酒比啤酒难酿很多,难在哪里?
答“很多蜜酒酿造都采用接近葡萄酒酿造技术,而不是啤酒酿造方式。最大挑战在于如何让蜂蜜有效快速发酵期间保持高度卫生整洁环境,一旦发酵期间出现任何程度走味或杂醇油,需要整一年时间让它沉淀休整恢复。酿造过程如何去除二氧化碳,提高蜂蜜氧含量营养度需要一定程度技术经验。”
# Mead is perceived as
pricier brew than the pale ales, the ipas, the porter and so on--what would be
the reasons causing it to be more expensive ?
A
recent study at UC Davis, a leading fermentation science research institution,
found that traditional (honey, water and yeast) mead is 300% more expensive
than grape wine, and 360% more expensive than quality craft beer to produce.
And this is before any other expensive fruit juices or special ingredients are
added. Honey is very expensive, and when you source the best juices and real
Tahitian vanilla beans as we do at Superstition, production costs are very
high.
#密酒价格比CRAFT BEER高蛮多的,为什么那么贵?
答“美国一家权威发酵研究中心最近报告显示,传统蜜酒(只用蜂蜜,水和酵母酿造)的酿造成本是葡萄酒的3倍,高质素CRAFT BEER的3.6倍,如果再加上各类高质水果或大溪地香荚兰豆这样的贵价原材料,成本之高,可想而知”
Just
as wine can vary from a buttery Chardonnay to a late harvest Zinfandel, from a dry
Champagne to a Tawny Port, mead is diverse. In our tasting room at Superstition
we offer a flight, usually 12 mead, and this is the most popular product we
sell. We encourage people to drink mead however they want, as exploring a new
category of beverage is something that should be fun, and on your own terms.
However, we do pour our flight beginning with lighter bodied meads and
gradually reaching the rich dessert mead.
#密酒有不同风味,也有轻重酒体之分,该怎么喝?
答“开始品尝任何新类别酒是件放松开心的事,MEAD也一样,在我们的试酒吧,最受欢迎的是12款不同蜜酒的试味拼盘,虽然酒排位是从轻盈到厚重,不过,你可以随心喝,没说一定要从哪杯开始喝起的。”
The
great thing about most mead is that to a new customer you don’t have to pretend
to like it. It is not an acquired taste, it is delicious. I think that if just
one mead was presented to a new mead drinker, I would start with a semi-sweet
melomel, or fruit mead. This would provide a balance between dry and sweet, and
provide a point of reference with the fruit flavor. But really, a flight of
different mead is the way to go.
#对从没喝过密酒的人,你的建议是?
“蜜酒不是让人爱恨分明的极端口味,而是可口易接受的,如果只能推荐一类别蜜酒,那就以半甜的水果蜜酒(MELOMEL)开始吧,品尝到干涩和味甜交错之余,也可以感受到水果(视乎酿造时用什么水果)的原味效应。不过,可以的话,12杯不同口味的尝味拼盘还是最佳选择。”
# In South East Asia or
whole of ASIA for that matter—there’s virtually NO mead available until quite
recently---how’s the scenario in the states? Is mead a more widely accepted
craft variants or there’s still much work to do to let more people
understand/embrace mead?
In
the US most people have no idea what mead is. If someone paid attention in
English literature they may have encountered mead in classic texts, or even in
movies and popular television shows, or perhaps they tried mead once at a
renaissance fair, but really mead is an emerging category. Most people who are
familiar with mead are homebrewers or are involved with the craft beer
community. I am a Board member of the American Mead Makers Association, and
part of our mission is to raise awareness of mead in America, and beyond. Mead
is the smallest but fastest growing sector of the US alcohol industry, and
while mead commands a very small market share compared to beer, wine, spirits
and cider, I forecast that in 5 years most craft beer bars will have at least
one rotating tap handle of mead, and in 10 years all adults in the US will at
least have heard of mead.
# Is Mead closer to beer
or wine?
That
really depends on the style. Take Braggot for example, it is a beer where 20%
or more of the fermentable sugars derive from honey. We have made
collaborations with several breweries where we made a Braggot, and this is as
much a style of beer as it is a style of mead. Another popular style of mead is
carbonated session mead. We have made an 8.5% carbonated grapefruit mead that
was dry hopped, and was very similar to a citrus IPA. But, when you consider a
dry raspberry mead, well that is certainly much closer to a wine. And when you
are enjoying a sweet fruit mead, that is much closer to a Port than a beer. So
to answer the question, mead can be very close to both wine and beer, or
something totally different.
#MEAD的风格比较接近WINE还是BEER?
答“要看蜜酒风格而定,可以很接近葡萄酒,或缽酒,或啤酒。比如Braggot类别蜜酒就使用麦芽和蜂蜜酿造,也有加入啤酒花提味的,所以类似啤酒风格。不过,蜜酒也可以是完全不像葡萄酒或啤酒的全新东西。”
# To the geeks
community—berry white day has become something of a struggle/scramble—tell us
something---from what triggers a thought of holding berry white day to perhaps
some stories be it front of behind the scene…?
Super
fans and beer geeks make the craft beverage world a much better place. I am a
BJCP beer judge, and just took the BJCP mead judge exam. I have been visiting
breweries for 20 years, and never get tired of trying new flavors. So I am
guilty of being a craft geek for sure. When a craft beverage producer makes
something so special that it becomes what everyone knows about them, it needs
to be celebrated. That is why we hosted the first annual Berry White Day in
2015. The day was well planned, and even with the 2 hour wait to get in, things
went smoothly. Everyone had a great time as they were able to sample 18
different meads on the menu that day, enjoyed 3 musical acts and were able to
tour the meadery with the people who make Superstition’s awesome mead and
cider. Behind the scenes there were so many issues to address, and extensive
work from our fantastic staff brought the crowds, the media, and we pulled off
an intimate release event that will be repeated later this year.
#Asia is kinda far from the states---would we in ASIA ever see
maybe a small allocation of the white series at all?
This year we have produced 3 times the
amount of each mead in the White Series. That means we have 3 New American Oak
Barrels of each. I predict that we will be able to ship a few cases of each
mead in the series to ASIA later this year.
#Any other words that you would like to add
on—messages to new drinkers in ASIA….
My
undergraduate degree from Arizona State University was in Anthropology, with a
Certificate in Southeast Asian Studies, and I studied Thai. My wife Jennifer
and I love Asia, and can’t wait to bring our family there as soon as possible.
We really look forward to sharing more of our products with craft beverage fans
in Asia. So keep searching out new flavors, and we will keep growing our
business so that we can send more excellent mead and cider across the Pacific!
#对亚洲CRAFT BEER爱好者的话?
答“我和妻子JENNIFER很爱亚洲文化,实际上大学时副修东南亚文化,也学过泰语。酿坊设施提升後,期望可以很快来亚洲走走,并为亚洲朋友提供更多高质量蜜酒!”
后记:东南亚以致整个亚洲,基本没CRAFT
级别蜜酒供应,最早在东南亚出现的蜜酒是大约两年前曼谷“米吧”引进的很小量丹麦品牌蜜酒,到今年初,曼谷和新加坡才出现了两个美国品牌的不同风味蜜酒。吉隆坡来说,今年内有希望看到很少量瓶子选择供应。
Here
is some back story on us:
Superstition Meadery was started by Jeff and Jen
Herbert in Prescott, Arizona in 2012 with the mission to reintroduce the
world’s oldest fermented beverage to mankind. Everything we do is in support of
this mission from crafting meads at the frontier of quality and innovation, to
collaborating with meaderies, breweries and wineries in the US and in Europe.
We honor the ancient drinking and spiritual traditions of our ancestors with
references to history, religion and mythology in our product names, and even
our logo is rooted in mead myth and culture. Our Minoan bull is inspired by a
sculpture from ancient Crete where it was filled with mead and poured on a
temple alter as a libation to the gods. While the history of mead is unique,
modern mead making is very different than it once was, and we elevate tradition
with technique.
NOTE:-there's hardly any craft level MEAD available in South East Asia or even whole of ASIA currently--for now the best bet would be Mikkeller Bangkok--and to a certain degree in Singapore--as for KL--there is NONE at the moment but hopefully supply would come in later part of this year--as a whole -let's hope there shall be more variants of mead available from now on...
NOTE:-there's hardly any craft level MEAD available in South East Asia or even whole of ASIA currently--for now the best bet would be Mikkeller Bangkok--and to a certain degree in Singapore--as for KL--there is NONE at the moment but hopefully supply would come in later part of this year--as a whole -let's hope there shall be more variants of mead available from now on...
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